What Would Jesus Do? Socialism.

 First, allow me to clarify that, technically, Jesus is a monarch because he is the “king of kings.” However, if we overlook this we would find that he is about as socialist as Marx himself. If Jesus had it his way he would more than likely have society set up in a socialistic manner and there are several verses which would easily prove this.

It is unfortunate that those who believe represent Christians the most (Republicans/Conservatives), are also the people most in favor of removing any social safety nets.  It is important to note that in the Christian community Jesus is believed to be the most compassionate and loving person to have ever roamed the earth and here are a few bible verses to show just how compassionate he is, specifically to the poor:

2 Corinthians 8:13-15 For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of fairness your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness. As it is written, “Whoever gathered much had nothing left over, and whoever gathered little had no lack.”

Acts 2:44-45 And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.

Luke 3:11 And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”

Galatians 6:2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

1 John 3:17 But if anyone has the world’s goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God’s love abide in him?

Matthew 19:21 Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

Acts 20:35 In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”

Matthew 19:23 And Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly, I say to you, only with difficulty will a rich person enter the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 18:25 For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.

 As you can see, Jesus not only shows compassion for those who are poor, but also believes it is reprehensible to have an abundance of wealth while there are so many in poverty. This also happens to be the central message of socialism. There are several differing types of potential socialistic societies, but they all have meeting the basic necessities of each person as a goal. In true unregulated capitalism this does not necessarily occur. In the United States we currently have a socialistic style of capitalism because we have publicly funded programs such as the police department, fire department, and schools available to each person regardless of their economic status. We also have a progressive tax which means we tax the rich disproportionally higher than the middle-class or poor (although tax loopholes don’t allow this to truly occur). Unfortunately, it does not go far enough. The poverty rate is still extremely high, there are homeless people despite the nation having enough homes, there are people who go hungry despite the nation having an abundance of food, and health care is still considered a privilege instead of a public good. We have a sufficient amount of resources to lift every individual out of poverty. However, this does not occur due to the little amount of help that is directed towards the people that need it most. When considering voting for a society with lower taxes and no social safety nets or a more socialistic society with a higher progressive tax and more adequate social safety net, ask yourself one question; What would Jesus do?

Have any objections? Let me know in the comments section below!

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  1. The Rural Iowegian
    Nov 29, 2014 - 01:59 PM

    The difference between Jesus and socialism is Jesus teaches compassion and charity and socialism leaves no choice. For a charitable act to be charity, it must be from the heart, not demanded from the state. There is a huge difference. I hope you don’t decide to delete this comment too just because you may not agree with it.

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    • Kate Rauner
      Dec 03, 2014 - 10:30 AM

      I’ve thought about your post and have a concern. If people depend on charity, rather than their citizenship, do they become pawns of whoever hands out that charity – because it could stop at any moment? Would they sell their vote? Be forced into subservience to some modern version of a “warlord”? It seems to me the chance for corruption is high if charity is the only resource for those in need – at least there is a goal of transparency in the public arena and while corruption exists, it is a crime. So I guess I’d say the social safety net is not ‘charity’ – it is our duty to each other in society. For me, it is enlightened self-interest – I think my own life is better for it in tangible ways.

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      • hiccup
        Dec 03, 2014 - 01:23 PM

        Hm…I agree with Mahatma Gandhi.

        Unfortunately, I’m one of those imperfect Christians…

        Talking about religion is like an intellectual journey. Probing the issues of Relationship (vertical and horizontal)…engages the mind and heart, soul and spirit. You have to put some skin into it.

        Thankfully, when your in God’s family, It’s not who I am…but who my Daddy is, that makes all the difference. And, don’t worry. Daddy DOES discipline us sometimes, but his scoldings work together for our good…and we realize more and more how loving (and not harsh) Daddy really is.

        People poke at other people. I do it, too. Judging is universal. Only Jesus didn’t do it. He wants us to stop it.

        I take my “correcting” from Daddy God. Like I said, he’s very kind.

        The only “correcting” I take from others, are from those whose choices look like they’ve already learned some awesome stuff from Daddy God.

        KNOWING real Love is one thing…emulating it is another. When I’m bathed in it, I look better.

        p.s. No, Jesus wouldn’t be surprised about anything. He’s God. He knows the End from the Beginning.

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      • The Rural Iowegian
        Dec 09, 2015 - 05:39 PM

        Actually Kate, when government programs are there as a safety net, those who receive benefits of that net become subservient to said net. They sell their vote to the party that allows them to continue their lifestyle via that net. The corruption is highest when a government doles out the assistance and that has been proven in every aspect of food stamps, medicare, and aid to dependent children (or whatever acronym they have changed it to now). However, when you have charitable organizations giving the financially poor a hand up instead of a handout, those in need have no allegiance to any political identity. The safety net as you put it is more of a spider’s web than a net. Its very design ensures those who accept the benefits become reliant on them with no escape.

        The fact that many of these people are committing crimes is irrelevant. Most cases of fraud committed against public aid programs by recipients are considered ‘victimless crimes’ by the courts and very rarely is anyone punished other than being ordered to pay back the fraudulent amount in small payment sizes that guarantee the people will never be fully reimbursed.

        Finally, if you rely on the government to do your ‘charity’ work for you, it is not charity at all. Jesus teaches that we are to preach to the poor and not turn our backs on them. His reference to the poor is not limited to finances, but also includes the spiritually poor.

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        • Kate Rauner
          Dec 09, 2015 - 06:44 PM

          [can’t tell if this is a dup – sorry if it is]
          I think anyone wants to be independent and provide for themselves – no one prefers to be beholden. And dependency can originate from any source – whether government or private. At least with the government there is some recourse while private charities (or groups I’ve read about in the Middle Eats who look like terrorists to me but offer “charity” at home) can offer or withhold aid at a whim. Having both has got to be the best bet for society. What Jesus asks is hard! ‘What you do, or don’t do, for the least of my brothers and sisters, you do/don’t do for me.’ The challenge is always – how to truly help people – without making them beg. Thanks for your thoughtful comments.

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        • Kate Rauner
          Dec 09, 2015 - 06:43 PM

          I think anyone wants to be independent and provide for themselves – no one prefers to be beholden. And dependency can originate from any source – whether government or private. At least with the government there is some recourse while private charities (or groups I’ve read about in the Middle East who look like terrorists to me but offer “charity” at home) can offer or withhold aid at a whim. Having both has got to be the best bet for society. What Jesus asks is hard! ‘What you do, or don’t do, for the least of my brothers and sisters, you do/don’t do for me.’ The challenge is always – how to truly help people – without making them beg. Thanks for your thoughtful comments.

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    • Warren
      Jan 06, 2015 - 05:52 PM

      Manny,
      Thank you for following my Blog, Btw. You were the first :).

      I enjoyed reading this post. Jesus does encourage us to be loving and charitable and to bear one another’s burden’s. I agree with The Rural Iowegian, Agency is a key part in Jesus’ character. Socialism forces people to be charitable. And if a man gives a gift grudgingly it is as though he didn’t give it in the first place. (Moroni 7:8, Book of Mormon).

      Christ also commanded us to do many other things, not stealing, not lying, not coveting, not murdering, keeping the Sabbath holy, getting married, not committing adultery or fornication (Sex outside the bonds of marriage). If a society cannot handle these commandments, can they handle charity?

      Christ plants a seed in the heart of his children, the people who follow him, and it works within and the people change themselves. Socialism would seek to change people from the outside in.

      Throughout the Old Testament, we read of Jehovah’s (Jesus’) dealings with Israel. Since the people could not abide a higher law, they were given a lesser law.

      What would Jesus do? He would feed his sheep, for he knows each of them by name (John 10:14, 27, Bible; 3 Nephi 18:31, Book of Mormon). He will instruct us in his ways through his Prophets. Even when he comes, and he will, soon, he won’t force us, as King, to do anything we don’t want to. We will have to suffer the consequences of our actions, as we always have.

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    • Laughing Dragon
      Feb 02, 2015 - 07:04 PM

      The Marxist papers actually discuss that the change towards socialism is a natural one that is inevitable, a choice of the people that directly affects the structures around them. This is why it seems like a rebellious idea.
      Saying that Jesus is a socialist doesn’t say anything if you don’t actually know what socialism is. The fact is that this has been used by many atheists and educated people as a shock factor, which makes people react more than think.

      On most occasions.
      Like this one…

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    • Ron
      Mar 18, 2015 - 11:52 AM

      One thing many forget: Jesus was not a privat person!
      He was Gods government on earth. He was the messiah, the god chosen leader of Israel, the King of the Jews. The apostles were the god chosen leaders of the 12 tribes of Israel. They all comitted themselves to give away their money to help the poor. They healed the sick, performed miracles without asking for money; Jesus commended: “Heal the sick (…) Freely you received, freely give.” (Mt 10,8) They cleansed the state temple because the people there only could get help if they had paid + brought sacrifices before: ‘I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT A SACRIFICE,’ (Mt 12,7):

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    • Anthony Mannucci
      Dec 05, 2015 - 01:33 PM

      What if socialism exists in a democracy and it represents the will of the people? Certain people may feel coerced, but many will not. Anti-government types keep forgetting that, in a representative government, which is what our forefathers meant to create, the government largely reflects the will of a free people.

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  2. Rai
    Jul 22, 2014 - 03:55 PM

    Very very interesting, a very close friend of mine is a socialist and as a christian, we get into these kinds of debates all the time… I never saw Jesus as a Socialist, but these text have enlightened me. Thank you! I will use them in my next discussion!

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  3. sueannporter1
    Aug 22, 2014 - 09:30 AM

    HI there. I agree with the Water to Wine comment above: Jesus wanted US to share out of our hearts NOT for the GOVERNMENT to enforce socialism. You need only to look at HISTORY (USSR, CUBA, etc.) where socialsim was “tried” and what really happens is that it becomes two classes, the middle class is evaporated. Then there are the Haves and the Have Nots with no middle class.

    World governments will never solve our problems. The book of Revelation is very clear about this.

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    • Manny Rutinel
      Aug 22, 2014 - 11:06 AM

      First, I would like to point out that I am not advocating for a pure socialism where the government plans the production of everything from bubble gum to cars. I am, however, advocating for the government to create programs which act as safety nets for the impoverished people in our country and around the world. This includes things such as food, housing, healthcare, education, police departments, and fire departments. These programs require funds in order to function. In order to acquire funds we must tax, preferably in a manner that doesn’t burden the poor (A.K.A. a progressive tax).

      Second, we are a government OF the people FOR the people. In other words, we are our government and the government is a direct representation of us. After all, this is how democracies work. Therefore, if Jesus calls on you to give to the less fortunate he is also calling on your nation-which is a direct representation of its people-to help the less fortunate.

      Third, when Jesus called on the rich man to give his money to the poor he never said that it must only be from his heart. Jesus simply said to do it. Here is the scripture:
      Matthew 19:20-21 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?” Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

      Fourth, the cases you have mentioned are not cases of actual communism or socialism. Those were cases of totalitarian governments where, like you said, there were the haves and have-nots. By definition communism has no economic classes and socialism requires democracy in order to appropriately function. I will not be defending the actions taken by USSR or Russia because they were not authentic attempts at a democratic socialism. Again, I would like to mention that I am not in favor of a pure socialism, but rather the several socialistic programs I’ve mentioned above.

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      • sueannporter1
        Aug 22, 2014 - 11:28 AM

        We will have to agree to disagree. If you could see how much this country has changed for the worse since the 1970’s you would understand what I am trying to say.

        As for the rich young ruler, it was all about his heart, or lack thereof; he loved his things more than he loved God.

        Have you ever seen “From Freedom to Fascism”? If not, I highly recommend it.

        If you study history, socialism always goes to “totalitarian government.” That is why the founders gave us the Constiution and Rule of Law, based on the Magna carta.
        Man’s heart is essentially evil. The bible says it, and history proves this.

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        • Manny Rutinel
          Aug 22, 2014 - 12:19 PM

          Unfortunately, I have seen the majority of that movie. I say unfortunately because the entire premise behind this movie is COMPLETELY and utterly false and I encourage you to do some reading found here: http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm

          Also, I would like to note that those countries weren’t originally socialist and then turned totalitarian dictatorships, but rather they were totalitarian dictatorships that masqueraded their dictatorships with the name of socialism. Socialism, BY DEFINITION, requires democracy. So, unfortunately you cannot advocate against socialism using the past as the past was not an actual attempt at socialism.

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          • Patty B
            Jan 18, 2015 - 02:18 PM

            vs 22 goes on to say, ” when the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had much wealth” This rich man wanted to buy his way into heaven, Jesus pointed out that his dependency on that wealth and how he valued his possessions more than he valued God. This verse talks more about guarding ourselves against materialism instead of trusting Jesus for our salvation. Read the whole context of the passage vs:16-30.
            But that said, God gives us a choice and socialism doesn’t allow for choice. We have a choice to obey God and care for the poor or do not and hold on to our wealth and perish.
            Jesus did not take this man’s money to feed the poor. Socialism takes our money to be spent the way the government decides. Right now I have a choice of where my money goes to help others where there is true need, socialism doesn’t help the poor it only helps those in control. This rich man also had a choice, he choose to hold on to his wealth and so he lost his salvation.

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      • sueannporter1
        Aug 22, 2014 - 11:52 AM

        ps thanks for following my brand new blog. 🙂

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  4. askamma
    Jul 17, 2014 - 12:55 PM

    Deeply inspiring quotes. Bookmarking this page.
    And there is also Matthew 25:40 reminding us of universal humanity. I heard someone quote this at a Congressional Hearing in support of civil rights and fair working conditions for agricultural labourers.

    “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

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    • Manny Rutinel
      Jul 17, 2014 - 01:43 PM

      I CANNOT BELIEVE I FORGOT THAT ONE! haha
      Thank you so much for your kind words and for sharing that verse! Have a great day 🙂

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  5. Water To Wine
    Aug 21, 2014 - 06:54 PM

    I am an evangelical Christian who is a less dedicated conservative. You cited the passage from Acts 4. The first time a read that as a recent convert over 30 years ago I thought, “Wow, the early church was socialist!” And they did practice socialism The difference as I see it from today’s attempts at socialism (I haven’t yet found it sustainably functioning anywhere… not that capitalism has solved the world’s many woes) is that the early church responded through completely transformed hearts brought on by an encounter with Jesus or His Spirit. To legislate altruism flies in the face of our human nature.

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    • Manny Rutinel
      Aug 22, 2014 - 10:24 AM

      I’m glad you understand how the church uses tithing as an attempt to provide for the needs of the most needy. After all, Jesus’ central message was to love thy neighbor as thyself and there is no better way to do this than to take care of the impoverished. I am not advocating for complete socialism, but rather a system in place where there is an adequate safety net. Unfortunately, in order to create this safety net we need funds. In order to get funds we must tax, and preferably in a progressive manner in order to not burden the people who need it most. I agree that legislating altruism may be difficult and against human nature. Luckily, in order to progressively tax more heavily we don’t need to legislate altruism, but rather social responsibility. Whether or not people pay their taxes for altruistic reasons is besides the question.

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      • Water To Wine
        Aug 22, 2014 - 12:38 PM

        I applaud and appreciate your concern for the impoverished. One of the facets of Christianity is that while we tend to be socially and fiscally conservative we do so with an eye toward emphasizing a personal sense of responsibility. The irony is that, in my humble opinion, conservatives who do not have a spiritual or biblical foundation for their position are conservative for completely selfish reasons. They want to keep what’s theirs and let others fend for themselves. While I disagree on a number of issues with liberals I acknowledge that liberalism is based on concern for the common good rather than personal gain. I find it interesting (Again, a personal observation and opinion) that in the arenas of education and social services most employees are either liberal or religious (Christian).

        At the same time, I feel that one of the worst barriers to improving the plight of so many disadvantaged people is the vitriolic polarization of our nation (and in many other nations) between liberal and conservative that precludes respectful dialogue between people of differing view points. Such dialogue is essential to moving forward toward doing what we can to arrest our social ills.

        Altruism may not be necessary for this but it can make it much easier.

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  6. karivas Blog
    Sep 01, 2014 - 04:56 PM

    Well written and I agree fully. I am tired of my Christian friends believing that our capitalistic society is the best one and most Christian nation.

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  7. Kinga Jesman
    Jul 08, 2014 - 01:21 AM

    Fantastic post, as well as your blog. You found me, and now you taking my time 🙂 Absolutely brilliant information. Thanks.

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    • Manny Rutinel
      Jul 08, 2014 - 10:47 AM

      Thank you so much for the extremely kind words!

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  8. Jon B.
    Oct 18, 2014 - 10:35 AM

    Man is flawed and filled with corruption; he’s deceitful and has a (morbid) desire to control other men to his own pleasures, if I may use that term. With the Socialist system of man; you get an array of programs with and intent to cause its subjects to believe that what the socialist is doing is for the good of all. But in actuality; this system, (Socialism), is no more than a disguised system of control (by men and for the benefit of those in control) in every sense of the word.

    The difference with Jesus and man is; Jesus is doing the will of the Father, who like us, gave his Son an inheritance (if you will). Being a ruler (creator), you do whatever is right and knowing the past, future and present; He (God) does that which is best for the kingdom which belongs to him.

    Note, (This world no longer belongs to man), he is deceived in he’s thinking otherwise).

    So Jesus is not so much a Socialist the way man is, because with Jesus, as it is with God, there is no deceptions, control in the sense that man desires it, nor is there any evil qualities within Christ that man possess. He does what is right and is beneficial for to all, void of the evil deceptive intent, with Christ/God at the center of focus.

    PS I say this as a non-Christian but have a basic understanding of it, both good and bad.

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  9. wiseandlovelyme
    Nov 29, 2014 - 01:21 PM

    HI Manny! This is a great post! I had the whole table debating this on Thanksgiving! My strongest believers had this to say.
    Jesus would not label it socialism or wealth distribution, nor would Jesus be called a Socialist. It is called “service of LOVE.” Galatians 5:13 Christians believe in “love they neighbor as yourself”. Although, God wants us to view riches from his perspective. The bible says that all have equal worth because all are created in the image of the eternal God. That is where true, intrinsic human value lies. No man is greater than another, no man is greater than God. The creator of the universe who controls everything directs human history. Read Daniel 4:17. Not man of the flesh. This is what Jesus believed. This is the word.
    Salvation is not personal, the whole creation is for the manifestation of God’s children. We shall love and honor our people as they would love and honor us. The only labels bestowed upon God and Jesus is King and Son of King, never Socialist. Socialist would be a manifestation created in flesh orchestrated by Satan to create division & confusion in God’s children.( rich man, poor man, wealthy man, broke man, homeless man, democrate, republican, Marxists, liberal, conservative, lefty and righty. etc.) Jesus did not teach any of this. Christian’s see a spirit in need and it is a responsibility and duty (to God) of the Christian to support their need. Matthew 5:42 It is also free will. The spirit commands us to love others, help others and give generously, without regard to a person’s beliefs. It is the flesh partaking in greed, selfishness, rules and regulations and who is against the need to love, help and give to others.
    Many were blessed by God in the Bible. Wealth in the bible is not just personal monetary gain. Wealth is blessings, riches, promises, gifts and rewards abundantly. It is the world’s standard that uses $$$ signs to determine your wealth. Not God’s standard. As Creator, all of life is His gift. He is the Prime Giver. “Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights” (James 1:17). But God’s greatest desire is for us to set our hearts on things above and not on things on this earth. Colossians 3:1-3
    Some principles for Jesus giving.
    The Bible teaches that Christian giving must be willing giving, free giving. We learn this in 2 Corinthians 9:7 “Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion.” But doesn’t this contradict what we learned under the first principle, that Christian giving is not optional? The answer is, of course, no. True Christian giving is both mandatory and voluntary. It is required by God, but always willingly given by the believer.

    The Bible teaches that Christian giving ought to be cheerful giving. As Paul says “God loves a cheerful giver.” This is a truly amazing assertion. Paul assures us here that the Lord takes a special delight in those who are joyful, energetic and merry givers. This is what Jesus would do.

    We have not come close to reaching our potential for giving, loving, supporting and sharing wealth. I pray that someday we will give willingly, that we will give for the right motives. I pray that someday we will give joyously and that we will give abundantly. I agree with these prayers because someday we all may need to receive.

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    • Manny Rutinel
      Dec 06, 2014 - 11:57 AM

      This was very thought-provoking and interesting! What I would say is that giving, much like what you said about Christian giving, is both mandatory and voluntary. There is, of course, the mandatory part which is known as taxes as well as the voluntary part of private charitable giving. I believe Paul is referring to private charitable giving as opposed to our public duty of taxes when he wrote in Galatians. The question is how much should we shape our government in order to fit the ideals we believe in and for Christians I feel this should be fairly clear. Given the quotes given by Jesus Christ himself, Christians who follow the teaching of Jesus should vote for an extremely strong social safety-net.

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  10. Kate Rauner
    Dec 03, 2014 - 10:19 AM

    I think it was Mahatma Gandhi who said something like, I admire the teachings of Jesus – it’s a shame more Christians don’t follow them. From what I’ve read, Jesus would be surprised to see the religion that has taken his name. I reviewed an interesting book at http://rockyflatsfacts.com/2013/03/did-jesus-exist/ under the name “Ponderer”. The author says “Jesus would not recognize himself” in modern Christian preaching. “[H]is world was not ours, his concerns were not ours, and – most striking of all – his beliefs were not ours.”

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    • Manny Rutinel
      Dec 06, 2014 - 11:29 AM

      I believe Gandhi got it so right when he said that. Thank you so much for stopping by!

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  11. kbandaruk
    Jul 22, 2014 - 06:36 AM

    Great words. Thanks for stopping by my blog and letting me know about yours! Keep up the great work!

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  12. kategary
    Jul 25, 2014 - 12:09 PM

    I love this! I’ve used this argument with many a conservative Christian (which is an oxymoron, no?), and it amazes me the way that they can use Jesus’s teaching to argue against gay marriage, against women’s rights, and against policies that would benefit the poor.. I completely agree that Jesus would be considered a socialist in today’s world. Thanks for introducing me to your blog!

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    • Manny Rutinel
      Jul 25, 2014 - 12:14 PM

      hahaha It is quite the oxymoron! I’m glad you also see how Jesus would obviously be in favor of all of the points you mentioned above.
      Thank you so much for the kind words 😀

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  13. amybareham
    Aug 06, 2014 - 01:34 PM

    Love the what would Jesus do tag – oldie but a goodie. I don’t think Jesus had an issue with money or possessions in general, but I think it saddened him to see people hoarding their wealth. He encourages us to be good stewards of what he’s given us and he championed selflessness. When you combine those two ideas, you naturally get a ripple effect where society is taking care of itself, simply by looking outside of itself. Money blinds us so quickly. I think a majority of the people who struggle to give are people who never intended to become so wrapped up in their wealth. Better to have less and wisely invest it than to have much and squander it.

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  14. Robert E Cano II
    Aug 22, 2014 - 09:53 AM

    My favorite philosopher wrote a work upon which all communistic or socialistic thought came from. The Republic was written 360 years before Christ’s birth, and is a favorite work of mine. While I’ve read Marx and Engals, Machiavelli and many others, Plato said it all first.

    And I agree with what Plato said. As I agree with what Christ said, and stands for. Now, I don’t call myself a Christian, and I’ve turned my back on religion, but Jesus’ love and compassion for the lost, the poor, the hungry, etc., should stand as a testament to all people in how to treat others. And yet, we turn a blind eye. I could go on forever, but instead I’ll just laud your words for what they are… very well spoken. I couldn’t agree more.

    Robert

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  15. Editor
    Aug 22, 2014 - 12:09 PM

    That’s a good post Manyy. I liked your theme and way of presenting the articles. Thanks for following me and liking one of my posts.

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  16. Mo Skiie
    Aug 24, 2014 - 04:54 AM

    Interesting concept and points. I agree with it. I am just not sure how this corrupt world can actually sustain a highly socialist society. I think humanity esteems many high ideals (and rightly so) but finds the challenge and selflessness of implementation, more than they would like. But nothing is impossible. I see, with my own eyes, small groups making good things happen both within and without Christian realms. Perhaps those models can be emulated and expanded. Working towards something good is better than not trying at all.

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  17. dmarkcabz
    Aug 25, 2014 - 08:25 PM

    thanks Manny for following my blog. You have great thought here, eh? Cheers to blogging! I’ve just followed you back. Til next time.

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  18. roughguidetolife
    Aug 31, 2014 - 09:12 AM

    love reading your post, and thanks for visiting my blog though I’m struggling to find how to follow you as a blogger!!

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  19. sudebaker
    Aug 31, 2014 - 12:35 PM

    Hmm. I don’t think Jesus found wealth reprehensible. The Jewish culture of the day pointed to wealth as a sign of God’s favor on your life. If you weren’t wealthy, you must be in sin. This is the thinking Jesus despised. Jesus continually came up against the religious leaders of the day to counteract their smug attitude towards those less fortunate. Sharing what we have with others is an important part of the gospel, and not focusing on material goods as a “pursuit of happiness” helps us see the needs around us. Thanks for the important reminder! And thanks also for the follow 🙂

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    • Manny Rutinel
      Aug 31, 2014 - 02:02 PM

      I don’t think that Jesus found wealth in and of itself reprehensible, but he did find it reprehensible for an individual to have an abundance of wealth while there were so many in poverty.

      I completely agree that sharing should be seen as an important part of the gospel and I appreciate that you understood that as the general message of the post! Thanks for stopping by 😀

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  20. lynndiane
    Sep 02, 2014 - 09:54 PM

    Interesting discussion here, Manny! You’re right: Jesus is King of Kings which means He is sovereign over all political systems of this world, a fact not to be overlooked. He is the embodiment of compassion and He taught His followers to care for the poor, which is evident in many Christian faith-based ministries. Generosity is the responsibility/privilege of individuals, extended families, churches, and local communities – not something that can or should be dictated by a national party or government…just my thoughts.

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  21. writerwannabe763
    Oct 05, 2014 - 04:17 PM

    I just popped over .. and read this post. While it is very well thought out, I guess I really don’t think of Jesus in a political sense. He was indeed very anti religious establishment but never really political.. .at least in my own view. He stated to pay to Caesar what was Caesar’s and to God what was God’s… But his laws definitely do say we should share with those who have less …in various scriptures. I was just checking one that you quote and I’m sure it is in the Bible but since I didn’t recognize it I looked in mine re Corinthians 8 13-15 and it does not appear there is a verse 14 and 15 in Corinthians 8… Perhaps it’s in another one? I can see though why you lean to your thoughts… Diane

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  22. Anthony Mannucci
    Oct 05, 2014 - 06:03 PM

    Excellent points. Thanks for the bible quotes.

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  23. chrysalaneous
    Oct 06, 2014 - 10:51 AM

    Love the blog. Enjoyed the Jesus/socialist article. Don’t really know that Jesus had a politic, religion, or a realized political philosophy. For me, He’s an idea present in the form of the Holy Spirit; pretty effective cause all the latter have been trying to usurp his hustle for eternity!!
    Thanks for the thoughts, appreciated much!!!!

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  24. douglaspinecone
    Oct 07, 2014 - 07:27 AM

    You sir are clearly misinformed.

    The Lord Jesus Christ rode into Jerusalem on a predator drone. He then used his assault rifle of love to threaten gays back to straighthood. Then he got together with the Father and the Holy Spirit to form a corporation called Wal-Mart… proving that a corporation isn’t just a person, it’s a God. Then he forgave the debts of all the bankers and allowed them to contribute as much as they wanted to political campaigns. He then gave up his life on an oil derrick to save us from the evil of single-payer universal healthcare. Someday he will come again in glory driving a coal-rolling Dodge Ram with a lift kit and an American flag star-spangling behind him. He will rapture all the wealthy white people into Heaven Hills Country Club and send all minorities and evolutionists to sweatshop Hell, where they will spend eternity building iPhones.

    I don’t need any verses to back this up because I walk by faith and research is what schools do. And schools teach evolution.

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    • Manny Rutinel
      Oct 07, 2014 - 03:27 PM

      This was quite possibly the best thing I have ever read. I was literally laughing for several minutes. Thanks for your input Douglas. 😀

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  25. myweightlossjournals
    Oct 26, 2014 - 03:59 AM

    I agree with you wholeheartedly. The early church was nothing like the ones we see today, that’s why it was church and state. The primary goal was to have all things common and that’s how the whole movement began. I long to see believers of every sect rise to as you put it best, Socialism, because if the true church rises again we will not be a people that only depend on corrupted governments but everyones needs will be truly met.

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  26. suneelmehmi
    Nov 03, 2014 - 02:46 PM

    I always recall the quote that he made to render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, which, if I remember correctly, was about money. Thanks for reading my blog and liking some of my posts. I put up a link to your website on my blogroll since we have a number of political opinions in common. SM.

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  27. kevingdrendel
    Nov 16, 2014 - 02:39 PM

    Great article Manny! Very thought provoking. Thank you also for following my blog. I am now following yours. I am a Christian and tend to be conservative (though I hate labels). I learned economics from a Marxist and became a Christian in a relatively hostile college environment. Bottom line is that we all need to be open to listen to each other because that is where we grow. I wish I had more time to comment because I think this is a very important subject. One thing that strikes me in response to your article is that Jesus was not at all political (or “religious” for that matter), as some have pointed out. My fellow Christians should take note of that! The fact that you equate Republicans with Christians is a strong indication that people (many Christians) do not understand that. We have bought into politics as if it were the 5th Gospel. That does not necessarily mean that I agree with you about (democratic) socialism, but your points are very will taken. It should give Christians pause. Pure religion is taking care of widows and orphans, says James. First and foremost, we have a personal responsibility to do that. If our government can help, that is good too. The problem with government is that government has power, and power corrupts. Still, all good points that you make!

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  28. thee-n-counter
    Nov 17, 2014 - 10:28 AM

    Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty. Jesus made it voluntary, not a law. True, if only the church was not caught up in a prosperity doctrine, maybe she would be more compassionate and less self-centered. For a church that is prospering so much, how is it we fail this area so badly? I’m afraid Laodicea is upon us, but each of us still have the freedom to choose what is right, no matter what society may be trying to tell us.

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  29. j2berry
    Nov 24, 2014 - 02:23 PM

    Great article; very interesting.

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  30. Frank Balsinger
    Nov 25, 2014 - 03:19 PM

    Excellent article. My favorite verses to plunk down in defense of your position are Matthew 25:31-46, though the kicker is summed in in 41-45:

    41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

    44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

    45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

    Unfortunately, from a purely rationalist perspective, the evidence, if not overwhelmingly conclusive is at least strongly suggestive that there was no historical Jesus, to wit, the specific individual that appears to be quoted in any of the gospels, canonical or otherwise (see Nag Hammadi Library for examples of non-canonical gospels. http://www.amazon.com/Nag-Hammadi-Library-James-Robinson/dp/0060669357/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1416945966&sr=8-2&keywords=nag+hammadi+library&pebp=1416945968346

    Ergo, the quotes were likely placed in the mouth of the fabricated character of Jesus. For reference on the issue of the historicity of Jesus, I strongly recommend On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt by Richard Carrier. http://www.amazon.com/Historicity-Jesus-Might-Reason-Doubt/dp/1909697494/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1416945994&sr=8-1&keywords=historicity+of+jesus

    While Dr. Carrier’s methodology is controversial, as he uses Baye’s Theorem in a highly unconventional way, possibly clouding the value of his conclusions, his historical scholarship, thoroughly footnoted throughout, is exemplary. In my opinion, even if the historicity of Jesus is questionable, use of such verses as you quote and the Matthew 25 passage I shared is still entirely acceptable in making the case, at least to observant Christians who do take the Gospels as gospel and have no doubt of their authenticity, whether solely as a matter of faith, ignorance, or justified reluctance in accepting the conclusions that can be reached from in incomplete historical record. If they believe that he walked the earth and spoke the words attributed to him, they should then find themselves faced with the possibly uncomfortable prospect that their political ideology might just run afoul of their Scripture if they attempt to counter it.

    Should the cognitive dissonance that engenders help propel the politically challenged believer toward a more compassionate role in society in keeping with the lessons of Matthew 25, I’m satisfied with that outcome. In an ideal world, I believe people would always be right for the right reasons. Sometimes I’ll gladly settle for being right for the wrong reasons, though that still creates the possibility of error in other matters. One small step at a time!

    Caveat: personally I’m agnostic. Insofar as I think Dr. Carrier (an atheist with an admitted ax to grind, but one in search of the strongest possible argument) did a fine job of raising doubts about the Jesus of the gospels, in attempting to shore up his case with assault’s on Paul’s theology, I believe he ended up making a much stronger case for the “mystical” Jesus Paul preaches, but whom he never met in the flesh. As an agnostic, I lean toward mysticism, so his treatment of Paul actually left me more rather than less open to Pauline theology. In any event, such a conclusion would still agitate strongly for those verses of Paul that you single out to make your case.

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  31. John
    Nov 26, 2014 - 12:52 PM

    Dear Manny:

    I enjoyed the post about Jesus and His “Socialist” tendencies – – and I must admit that I totally agree with you on this one!

    One of the things that bothers me most is the American political right wingers who refer to themselves as “Christian Conservatives” and who much too often go into the Legislative bodies of our government and cast their votes against many of the very things that Jesus would have supported had He been a political figure – – things like supporting food stamps … certain welfare programs … social security … and the list is very long. I do not understand how a whole political ideology that claims to be Christian can react to the needs and sufferings of others in such an obviously Un-Christian way as some of our “Righties” are prone to do. I love your blog because you are telling it like it is … and I am going to bookmark your blog and put it onto my blogroll and do not be surprised to see me linking back to something you write from time to time … because the stuff that you are writing is stuff that people need to see and to be informed about. Keep up the good work and God Bless You! (John Liming at http://americanliberaltimes.com)

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  32. Gyanendra Mocktan
    Nov 29, 2014 - 09:23 PM

    You are right. And you have proved the point that Jesus had the thoughts of socialism. and he was Socialist. Thank you.

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  33. momfawn
    Dec 01, 2014 - 12:09 PM

    I’m thinking he might have been more Libertarian, but the end result was the same. If His most perfect command to us was to love one another, we should each be caring for others in a way that requires no governance. Just a thought. Thanks for following me at Trigger’s Horse. – Fawn

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    • Manny Rutinel
      Dec 06, 2014 - 11:27 AM

      I too wish we were generous enough to appropriately sustain a safety net without the use of government enforcement. However, I find this would be a bit of a naive wish on my behalf. As it turns out, social safety nets are not the morally appropriate thing to do, but it is also economically conducive to growth. Which is great for the economy. 🙂

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  34. hiccup
    Dec 01, 2014 - 05:24 PM

    Squeezing conversation through political or religious tubes is impossible to avoid. To me, bringing in Jesus is a relational issue.

    The breech in the Garden was a severing of relationship and trust between Adam, Eve and God. This was a foreknown conundrum to God (see the first verse in John 1. The remedy was in place before the dilemma occurred. That tells us that God IS GOD.

    So, Jesus came…and invitations to return to Daddy God were sent out to us all.

    Now, “POP!” We come to the end of the world; the end of time and space as we know it!

    It will be my eyes looking…into His alone.

    Was His invitation received my me? Did I send my dance-card back with a “Yes, I WILL attend” confirmation?

    When the sign-in book of confirmed guests and family is looked at…is MY NAME IN IT?

    To me, it’s all about relationship: Vertical is EVERYTHING, horizontal is an outworking of how I feel about cuddling with Daddy God.

    – a simple, little old lady in need of One NeverEnding Cuddle

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  35. Inside a dog's heart
    Dec 04, 2014 - 10:50 AM

    No objections, this is how I see it as well.

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    • Manny Rutinel
      Dec 06, 2014 - 11:18 AM

      It’s always nice to get the perspective of the canine community. Haha! Thanks for stopping by 😀

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  36. The Rural Iowegian
    Dec 05, 2014 - 08:41 AM

    Manny, when you took verse from the BIble to support the point you wanted to make, did you forget to look at 1 Thessalonians 4:9-12 which states “Now concerning brotherly love you have no need for anyone to write to you, for you yourselves have been taught by God to love one another, for that indeed is what you are doing to all the brothers throughout Macedonia. But we urge you, brothers, to do this more and more, and to aspire to live quietly, and to mind your own affairs, and to work with your hands, as we instructed you, so that you may walk properly before outsiders and be dependent on no one.” Or 2 Thessalonians 3:10-12 says “For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat. For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies. Now such persons we command and encourage in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living.”

    Or did you intentionally overlook these verses as it does not coincide with your point of view?

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    • Manny Rutinel
      Dec 06, 2014 - 10:52 AM

      I assure you that I did not intentionally overlook any verses. I can also assure you that I have read those verses before. However, my claim still stands as strong as ever because, after all, I am making the claim that Jesus would have been considered a Socialist under today’s standards. Thessalonians, of course, was written by the apostle Paul and those verses did not contain any quotes from Jesus.

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      • hiccup
        Dec 06, 2014 - 11:14 AM

        …I guess I would have been considered a socialist, too…just like, in Canada, I am considered a conservative by some…and a liberal by others. At the end of the day, my heart is not in “this country”…as much as it’s in the one I’m travelling to…(heaven, where my home is…). But, until then, slotting people is what we all do. I do it, too. So, slot away…it’s just not ultimately satisfying…and it isn’t always necessarily…accurate.

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  37. jannatwrites
    Dec 05, 2014 - 05:30 PM

    I like that you cited scripture to back up your statement that Jesus would’ve been considered socialist. I think the biggest problem is that our hearts have become more selfish than altruistic. One would think that we would be satiated at some point and content that we have enough, but that doesn’t seem to be the case in many developed countries.

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    • Manny Rutinel
      Dec 06, 2014 - 11:15 AM

      Hey Janna! I would say that you have a very important point. I study Economics at UF and one of the basic premises of economics is that individuals are never satiated. I know it’s a shocking premise, but as you stated, it seems to be fairly accurate. My response would be that, although we may never be satiated, society would experience a drastic increase in well-being from a strengthening of our social safety-nets. And that should be the ultimate goal of our Democratic government. Thanks for your comment! 😀

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  38. dshawnews
    Dec 08, 2014 - 06:10 PM

    Great article about Jesus and socialism. Thank you for visiting my blog, Dshawnew.com. I have a lot to learn when it comes to communicating with others. I am impressed by your blog -Dave Shaw.

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  39. shinyrednothing
    Dec 08, 2014 - 07:01 PM

    It’s possible that someone else has brought this up, and I should have taken the time to read the comments, but there are a couple of other problems with Jesus being clung to so tightly by the right.

    First of all, Jesus is a mythological character. If a Republican claimed to make a decision based on their prayers to Dionysus or Gandalf the White, they would be considered a lunatic. Jesus gets a free pass here, and while the left loves to point out the altruistic quotes attributed to Jesus in the New Testament, the less kind things he supposedly said get overlooked. (Here’s great article about that goes into detail on the subject: http://advocatusatheist.blogspot.com/2009/11/imperfect-and-immoral-teachings-of.html)

    Secondly, and more to your point, Jesus went after the money changers in the temple, and our government is arguably a Corporatocracy. So, the Republicans want more Jesus in our government, plopping down biblical-based art in our government buildings as if they were temples, but Jesus, fictitious as he may be, would have loathed the idea of our government being mixed with his religion.

    I feel like a troll with the atheistic rant here, and I apologize if I come off as such. Your article is well written, and I appreciate your point. However, the religiosity in the United States, a country founded on a separation of church from state, really really really (eye twitch) drives me batty. I feel like our founding fathers would be outraged over our need for this discussion.

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  40. cherylfoston
    Dec 09, 2014 - 10:38 PM

    Manny, you have some very interesting communication going on here, which makes for a good writer when you can strike a few nerves. 🙂

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  41. Herschel
    Dec 10, 2014 - 05:28 PM

    I’m pretty sure that Jesus, the Son of God, and God have no concerns or care or think about socialism, communism, capitalism or any other form of government that man has contrived to govern himself.

    God and Jesus don’t need to have a government. They exist in a perfect state. It is man that needs governing and until the flesh is wiped away, we shall continue to need governing.

    You could argue that God is a dictator, that Jesus is a socialist. Others could argue that God is a capitalist or a fascist..

    The point is mankind has limitations and those limitations define how we govern ourselves and each other.

    I understand that as humans, we want to ascribe our values, thoughts and structures to God and Jesus. What would Jesus do?

    Our directive is to ascribe God’s values to us. It is futile and leads to discourse to do otherwise.

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    • Robin
      Dec 22, 2014 - 11:09 PM

      God instituted three institutions and one of them is civil government. In the Old Testament, he first set up a system with judges, but the Israelite’s wanted a king and he gave them one, and government began. The rest is history.

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  42. dancrofts
    Dec 10, 2014 - 07:43 PM

    Hello Manny,

    I think the type of situation you are describing — I mean, with regard to the people taking responsibility for helping one another, and allowing that spirit to influence government — would be better served by the principle of subsidiarity than by socialism. Subsidiarity calls for giving the greatest amount of power to the smallest unit of government, since this unit is closest to the people, the most able to discern the needs of the constituents, and the most fit to serve them in the way they need. This is not to say that the higher levels of government should have no role in such matters; but this should happen only when the needs in question by nature *cannot* be met by the lower levels.

    With regard to socialism, I would say this: The health of any is predicated upon the dignity of each person (rather than each person getting his dignity from the collective); and the good of each person, in turn, goes far beyond the economic considerations associated therewith. The entire sphere of the human person must be considered, and generous “space” must be left for the free exercise of personal responsibility. It is not the role of the state to regulate all things, but rather to encourage and foster the generous initiatives of different parts of society. When we labor under the impression that just social structures will eliminate the need for charity, we reduce human beings to impersonal units within a series of social and monetary relationships.

    An interesting alternative to both socialism and unregulated capitalism is distributism. A good overview of this particular economic/political philosophy can be found here:

    Best Wishes,

    -Dan Crofts (www.intothedance.wordpress.com)

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  43. justinecase2014
    Dec 13, 2014 - 06:54 PM

    Hello, Manny, I am just stopping by to thank you for your support. I have taken a radical 180 degree turn in my views this past month and it shows I guess. I just wanted to thank you personally for your support 🙂

    Donna

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  44. chattykerry
    Dec 15, 2014 - 11:02 AM

    I think you are a brave, articulate writer. Many years ago, at Catholic school in Scotland, I participated in a essay competition which had a public audience. My topic was that if the writings about Jesus are accurate, then he would disapprove of the wealth and power of the current Catholic. church. Why would we have silk vestments and gold chalices when people are hungry? My school was so unhappy that they refused to give me a reference for college…but I got there anyway. Here in Texas I generally keep my left-leaning, lapsed Catholic, opinions to myself…

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  45. Anne Laure
    Dec 15, 2014 - 04:55 PM

    I actually don’t have objections! But I still wanted to drop you a line to say first thank you for reading my post (it really means a lot to me) and second that I like the way you think (I personaly believe the text above is brilliant) and I’ll be following your blog! xx

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  46. Elouise
    Dec 15, 2014 - 09:43 PM

    Nice to meet you, Manny! Your post is well written, well reasoned and well substantiated. Of course it helps that I see things in a similar way. Would love to have your take on the role of women and the way this piece of injustice interacts with other unjust habits and practices. If you’ve already written about that, just let me know where to look! Thanks so much for the follow and for leaving a like on one of my posts. I hope you’ll show up every now and then for a bit of a different blog site. Though not unrelated to some of what you’re doing here.
    Cheers!
    Elouise

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  47. Dave Brisbin
    Dec 22, 2014 - 09:41 PM

    Hi Manny, thanks for following my blog–really appreciate your interest. I came over here to see what you were up to, and gravitated toward this post. The post and the comments have been interesting. I have another take on this subject that I covered in a chapter in my book “The Fifth Way,” which is a look at Jesus’ message from an Aramaic point of view. If you’re interested, I can send the chapter your way. Be fascinating to get your comment. In any case, all the best and have a great Christmas.

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  48. Robin
    Dec 22, 2014 - 10:58 PM

    This is a very interesting post and an interesting perspective. You make some good arguments and cite good passages from Scripture. I think Jesus was speaking directly to the Christian community when he taught these life lessons. He would have never expected the Roman government of his day, or the Jewish rulers, to conform to his teachings. So, while I understand your argument about our government being made up of the people; Jesus’s didn’t expect non-followers of his to adhere to his message, let alone the government. Therefore, I think it is a little bit of a leap to say that Jesus was promoting a socialist government, but he was promoting a communal way of living.

    It is terrible that our tax system is skewed to favor the rich, while there are so many poor and disadvantaged people. That is why we pay taxes. It is our tax system that needs to be overhauled. “Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s; render unto God what is God’s.” (Matt 22:21).

    Thanks for the follow. I have added your URL to my Reader, so I can follow you. I used to get thousands of emails from following blogs. I couldn’t keep up, so I don’t use email anymore, except for personal messages. I look forward to reading more of your blog 🙂

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  49. Dayo Benson
    Jan 03, 2015 - 09:04 AM

    Interesting post. It made me smile. We can only speculate about Jesus’ political views.

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  50. praisehimalways
    Jan 04, 2015 - 08:09 AM

    Thanks for liking and following my blog. I find the concept of Jesus being used in political debate interesting. I also have to agree to disagree on your idea of Socialism. I find it interesting that the people that don’t like Capitalism still live here. Why not convert a country that already has Socialistic views into a better form of Socialism. Wouldn’t that make more of an outstanding example to the world? Instead of denouncing our way of life which btw gave many opportunities for advancing in our society why not commit to getting into the trenches and giving what you have to offer to the poor and homeless? Take them to the clinic, feed them, clothe them, clean them. Jesus wasn’t poor neither was His family. Mary and Joseph didn’t have a room to birth Him in because they were full, not because they were broke. Jesus wanted us to work, share and give to please God and to help bring others up. I’m not saying all the poor and homeless don’t want to work but there are a large majority of them that prefer government handouts. The government social programs created a dependency system. Uncle Sam became the missing parent. Try as it might to get a two parent household to support the dependent families it failed at that. It became corrupted and is used as a voter base when needed. The title of the programs demonstrates an example, “Aid to dependent Families and Children”. When my children were young and I had dire circumstances I availed myself of the support. I was thankful to have it but it was impossible to live on. It encourages dishonesty. It was difficult getting off the “System” but I did it. It actually created more hardship than anything else. I believe in helping others that have struggles, no food, clothing etc. It’s part of our duty. Not to enable though. Jesus said we need to work if we want to eat, 2Thessalonians 3:10, For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat. For more Bible quotes regarding work ethic and helping see Google link, http://www.openbible.info/topics/work_ethic there are sixty of them there. We have many jobs to do in this country but many people think it’s beneath them. When we can get past the mentality that “they owe me” whomever “they” are then maybe we can have a better society. I’m grateful for a roof over my head, food on my table, clothes on my back, my family and health. I have a car because I work. I’m 65 and still have to work. I thank God every day for what I have, what I’ve been through to get where I am and for Him. Especially Him. Jesus is the Son of God not some politician touting His programs. He IS the only way to the Father, who provides all my needs.

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  51. Brad Grierson
    Jan 09, 2015 - 04:21 PM

    Socialism is wonderful in concept. The problem with it isn’t so much socialism itself but man’s sinful nature. When you add up all the sins that man is famous for (greed, sloth, etc), the system crumbles. People become lazy or resentful. Others take advantage of the system and abuse it terribly. You can see it in our own social programs today. That’s why it should be up to the individual to help people and not the government. Capitalism is by no means perfect, not by a long shot, but when applied rightly, it’s better than the alternatives.

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    • Manny Rutinel
      Jan 09, 2015 - 04:27 PM

      Hey Brad! Thanks for stopping by. When I speak of socialism in this post I am not referring to state controlled production, but rather what is known as welfare capitalism to the degree found in western European countries.

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  52. joshfarha
    Jan 09, 2015 - 04:39 PM

    Thanks for the follow. I guess I’m a little late to this party. I wholeheartedly agree. There is one problem, though. This post fails to take into account that people inherently suck. As long as the natural inclination to drag others down to promote one’s own self exists, no form of government works ideally and never will. If everyone on the planet functioned as Jesus tells them to, socialism would be the ideal way for people to exist together. But yeah, I do agree.

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  53. honeydurant
    Jan 09, 2015 - 04:49 PM

    The problem is greed. Those that own everything or more than your common citizen don’t want to freely give as they have freely been given. Not everyone has Jesus, nor wants to be like Jesus, nor cares about the needs of their neighbors. The day those in leadership positions who run this country and the capitol of it are less self absorbed and realize they are not the owners of everything then maybe that day might be the start of a prosperous nation!!

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  54. bramhallbill
    Jan 17, 2015 - 03:25 PM

    There is a debate in UK that Christians should be involved in politics a lot more. It is tough . A pastor once told me I can’t possibly support everyone that sends me a flyer and yet if we see someone in need we are supposed to help. With his wife he has been involved in rescuing victims of trafficking for 15 yrs or so….Do for the least of these. I’m sure poverty & destitution is not a career choice. I know a guy who was a University Lecturer. Through no fault of his own he lost his job ,house & had just what he stood up in. Down at the soup kitchen he would fill in the Daily Telegraph Crossword faster than you could spit…..

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  55. Elizabeth Welsh
    Jan 28, 2015 - 11:56 AM

    Thanks, Manny, for following my blog: devosanddumplings.wordpress.com I appreciate your interest in anything I might have to say. BTW, I love meat and I’m a conservative but like you, I’m also a utilitarian. I definitely believe in usefulness but I also appreciate the beauty in people and God’s creation. Oh, yes, there’s this. My husband and I met at the U. of Ga. and are still die-hard fans. It’s been years since we went to the “largest cocktail party in the country” but unfortunately, we did watch the last game when your team beat ours. As the saying goes, all’s fair in love, war and football.

    Oh, on the matter of Jesus and Socialism, I don’t believe He would identify with the definition of socialism. If there’s anything such as pure socialism, it would never be possible as long as mankind is burdened with its sin problem. There’s only one solution to that and it lies within the prophecy of Jesus’ birth and the fact that the government would be upon His shoulders. Isaiah 9:6 That is, when by way of the Cross, sin is completely eradicated and Jesus will rule God’s kingdom with God’s authority.

    Thanks again for connecting with me. That’s what I love about blogging, meeting people from all walks of life.

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    • Manny Rutinel
      Jan 28, 2015 - 07:42 PM

      I find it so interesting that you’re a conservative and a utilitarian! I always thought those two were mutually exclusive. How do you feel about animal agriculture from a utilitarian perspective?

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  56. christianpear
    Jan 31, 2015 - 02:50 AM

    I don’t know if you’re ever going to get to my comment, seeing the response to your article, but I’m a Christian and [having only read a few of the comments], I agree. I think that Jesus would want us to be charitable, and I don’t think Socialism forces charity. Besides, is that any reason to keep capitalism? It would be like saying, well no my soap doesn’t clean, but that soap costs a little more- taking the problem, looking at a solutions and disregarding the solution even though its better. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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  57. Victor Delta
    Aug 05, 2016 - 08:31 PM

    To say that Jesus supports socialism is nothing short of of a lie. All the verses you mention, you take out of context, because Jesus’s teachings and context makes it clear that people are to do charitable deeds such as sharing resources on their own free will (the definition of voluntary). Socialism by its very definition means government has a heavy hand in terms of redistribution of the wealth or resources and thus on the side of people is effectively involuntary. I strongly suggest you reread and take matters into context, not twist it to support some system that has again and again proven itself at best a laughable farce and at worst a hopelessly incorrigible madness. Let me state this as stated in Mark 12:17, “Then Jesus told them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” ” Here while Jesus based on the context of the passage offers people to choose who they’re willing their allegiance to. Effectively between government and God.

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